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I think there is a problem in my "dependency graph". As an example, here is the index ikiwiki generated for my site (note that the site changed since this index was generated).

Some HUGE dependencies appear, clearly non optimal, like

depends = A| B | A | C | A | D | A | E | A | F | A | G | ....

or

depends= A | B | C | D | A | B | C | D | A | B | C | D | ....

Couldn't isolate the cause, but some sources for this problem may be:

  • related to the img module
  • easily observable in my sire because one of my pages includes 80 resized images

Other special things in my templates and site:

  • a sidebar with [[!include pages="notes/*" template=foo]] while notes.mdwn has a [[!include pages="notes/*"]] and uses the sidebar; removed it, doesn't change
  • a template (biblio.tmpl) calling the "img" plugin with a template parameter as the image filename; removed it, doesn't change
  • some strange games with tags whose page calls a "map" directive to show other tags shile tags are also used in tagclouds (in the sidebar and in the main pages)
  • ...

I observed these problems (same kind, I didn't check in details) on

  • ikiwiki 2.00gpa1 + v5.8.4 + Debian 3.1
  • ikiwiki 2.3 + v5.8.8 + Ubuntu 7.04

I can think about reducung the size of my wiki source and making it available online for analysis.

-- NicolasLimare

As long as these dependencies don't grow over time (ie, when a page is edited and nothing changed that should add a dependency), I wouldn't worry about them. There are many things that can cause non-optimal dependencies to be recorded. For one thing, if you inline something, ikiwiki creates a dependency like:

(PageSpec) or (file1 or file2 or file3 ...)

Where fileN are all the files that the PageSpec currently matches. (This is ncessary to detect when a currently inlined file is deleted, and know the inlining page needs an update.) Now consider what it does if you have a single page with two inline statements, that inline the same set of stuff twice:

((PageSpec) or (file1 or file2 or file3 ...) or (PageSpec) or (file1 or file2 or file3 ...)

Clearly non-optimal, indeed.

Ikiwiki doesn't bother to simplify complex PageSpecs because it's difficult to do, and because all they use is some disk space. Consider what ikiwiki uses these dependencies for. All it wants to know is: does the PageSpec for this page it's considering rebuilding match any of the pages that have changed? Determining this is a simple operation -- the PageSpec is converted to perl code. The perl code is run.

So the total impact of an ugly dependency like this is:

  1. Some extra data read/written to disk.
  2. Some extra space in memory.
  3. A bit more data for the PageSpec translation code to handle. But that code is quite fast.
  4. Typically one extra function call when the generated perl code is run. Ie, when the expression on the left-hand side fails, which typically happens after one (inexpensive) function call, it has to check the identical expression on the right hand side.

So this is at best a wishlist todo item, not a bug. A PageSpec simplifier (or improved pagespec_merge() function) could be written and improve ikiwiki's memory and disk usage, but would it actually speed it up any? We'd have to see the code to the simplifier to know.

--[[Joey]]

[[!template id=gitbranch branch=smcv/ready/optimize-depends author="[[smcv]]"]]

I've been looking at optimizing ikiwiki for a site using [[plugins/contrib/album]] (which produces a lot of pages) and it seems that checking which pages depend on which pages does take a significant amount of time. The optimize-depends branch in my git repository avoids using pagespec_merge() for this (indeed it's no longer used at all), and instead represents dependencies as a list of pagespecs rather than a single pagespec. This does turn out to be faster, although not as much as I'd like. --[[smcv]]

I just wanted to note that there is a whole long discussion of dependencies and pagespecs on the [[todo/tracking_bugs_with_dependencies]] page. -- [[Will]]

Yeah, I had a look at that (as the only other mention of pagespec_merge). I think I might have solved some of the problems mentioned there, actually - pagespec_merge no longer needs to exist in my branch (although I haven't actually deleted it), because the "or" operation is now done in the Perl code, rather than by merging pagespecs and translating. --[[smcv]]

[[!template id=gitbranch branch=smcv/ready/remove-pagespec-merge author="[[smcv]]"]]

I've now added a patch to the end of that branch that deletes pagespec_merge almost entirely (we do need to keep a copy around, in ikiwiki-transition, but that copy doesn't have to be optimal or support future features like [[tracking_bugs_with_dependencies]]). --[[smcv]]


Some questions on your optimize-depends branch. --[[Joey]]

In saveindex it still or'd together the depends list, but the {depends} field seems only useful for backwards compatability (ie, ikiwiki-transition uses it still), and otherwise just bloats the index.

Is an array the right data structure? add_depends has to loop through the array to avoid dups, it would be better if a hash were used there. Since inline (and other plugins) explicitly add all linked pages, each as a separate item, the list can get rather long, and that single add_depends loop has suddenly become O(N^2) to the number of pages, which is something to avoid..

Also, since a lot of places are calling add_depends in a loop, it probably makes sense to just make it accept a list of dependencies to add. It'll be marginally faster, probably, and should allow for better optimisation when adding a lot of depends at once.

In Render.pm, we now have a triply nested loop, which is a bit scary for efficiency. It seems there should be a way to rework this code so it can use the optimised pagespec_match_list, and/or hoist some of the inner loop calculations (like the pagename) out.

Very good catch on img/meta using the wrong dependency; verified in the wild! (I've cherry-picked those bug fixes.)

[[!tag wishlist patch patch/core]]