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+I am aware that you (Joey) [[made_a_choice_against_a_mailing_list|contact]],
+but I would like to see you reconsider.
+
+The wiki works well for bugs and
+collaborating on the software, but not for simple user support issues. For
+instance, I spent the last three days waiting for any form of reply to my
+question on IRC (none so far):
+
+    09 15:49 < madduck> any ideas how to implement a two-level menu
+    09 15:40 < madduck> like http://www.abacons.ch/leistungen/treuhand.html ?
+    09 15:50 < madduck> the top bar are the main sections
+    09 15:50 < madduck> and then i might need subsections (further down) under each
+    09 15:50 < madduck> i'd like to do this without hardcoding sections in the template
+    09 15:50 < madduck> but at least the main sections are to appear on all pages
+    09 15:50 < madduck> so the template needs a slot, i just wonder how best to fill it
+    09 15:51 < madduck> i can only ever use one navbar it seems
+    09 15:51 < madduck> and i already need the sidebar for something else
+
+I would not know where to take this question on the wiki itself.
+
+A mailing list is made for these kind of questions, and as we pick up even
+more users, the number of such requests will also increase. --[[madduck]]
+
+> I wouldn't mind a mailing list myself. For many people, e-mail is more
+> efficient to process, particularly offline, than wiki pages. Also,
+> ikiwiki's discussion pages require a fair amount of discipline from
+> users to make it easy to follow a long discussion. On the other hand,
+> it would be interesting to make improvements to ikiwiki
+> (read: plugins) to to see if it's possible to accomodate both
+> mail people and online people.
+> --[liw](http://liw.fi)
+
+>> The [Zwiki](http://zwiki.org) project has ideas to mine in this area. We explored various permutations of wiki and mail list.
+>> Currently Zwiki's [email features](http://zwiki.org/Mail) are good enough that we use it as the mail list and don't run separate
+>> ml software. This is simple and mostly satisfying. Now and then we miss the familiarity and industrial
+>> strength of a standard mail list and its simple time-based archive. We do gateway with [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.zwiki) so people 
+>> can use that as an alternative. I'm happy to chat about this, ping me..
+>> --[sm](http://joyful.com)
+
+[[tag wishlist]]