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authorJoey Hess <joey@gnu.kitenet.net>2009-04-01 13:47:41 -0400
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+[[!tag wishlist blue-sky]]
+
+In the long term, I have been considering rewriting ikiwiki in haskell.
+It's appealing for a lot of reasons, including:
+
+* No need to depend on a C compiler and have wrappers. Instead, ikiwiki
+ binaries could be built on demand to do the things wrappers are used for
+ now (cgi, post-commit, etc).
+* Potentially much faster. One problem with the now very modular ikiwiki is
+ that it has to load up dozens of perl modules each time it runs, which
+ means both opening lots of files and evaluating them. A haskell version
+ could run from one pre-compiled file. Other speed efficienies are also
+ likely with haskell. For example, pandoc is apparently an order of
+ magnitude faster than perl markdown implementations.
+* Many plugins could be written in pure functional code, with no side
+ effects. Not all of them, of course.
+* It should be much easier to get ikiwiki to support parallel compilation
+ on multi-core systems using haskell.
+* A rewrite would be an opportunity to utterly break compatability and
+ redo things based on experience. Since the haskell libraries used for
+ markdown, templates, etc, are unlikely to be very compatable with the perl
+ versions, and since perl plugins obviously wouldn't work, and perl setup
+ files wouldn't be practical to keep, a lot of things would unavoidably
+ change, and at that point changinge everything else I can think of
+ probably wouldn't hurt (much).
+
+ - Re templates, it would be nice to have a template library that
+ doesn't use html-ish templating tags, since those are hard for users to
+ edit in html editors currently.
+ - This would be a chance to make WikiLinks with link texts read
+ "the right way round" (ie, vaguely wiki creole compatably).
+ - The data structures would probably be quite different.
+ - I might want to drop a lot of the command-line flags, either
+ requiring a setup file be used for those things, or leaving the
+ general-purpose `--set var=value` flag.
+ - Sometimes the current behavior of `--setup` seems confusing; it might
+ only cause a setup file to be read, and not force rebuild mode.
+ - Hard to say how the very high level plugin interface design would change,
+ but at the least some of the names of hooks could stand a rename, and
+ their parameter passing cleaned up.
+
+We know that a big, break-the-world rewrite like this can be a very
+bad thing for a project to attempt. It would be possible to support
+external plugins written in haskell today, without any rewrite; and a few
+of the benefits could be obtained by, eg, making the mdwn plugin be a
+haskell program that uses pandoc. I doubt that wouod be a good first step
+to converting ikiwiki to haskell, because such a program would have very
+different data structures and intercommuniucation than a pure haskell
+version.
+
+Some other things to be scared about:
+
+* By picking perl, I made a lot of people annoyed (and probably turned
+ several people away from using ikiwiki). But over time there turned out
+ to be a lot of folks who knew perl already (even if rustily), and made
+ some *very* useful contributions. I doubt there's as large a pool of haskell
+ programmers, and it's probably harder for a python user to learn haskell
+ than perl if they want to contribute to ikiwiki.
+* It might be harder for users of hosting services to install a haskell based
+ ikiwiki than the perl version. Such systems probably don't have ghc and
+ a bunch of haskell libraries. OTOH, it might be possible to build a
+ static binary at home and upload it, thus avoiding a messy installation
+ procedure entirely.
+* I can barely code in haskell yet. I'm probably about 100x faster at
+ programming in perl. I need to get some more practical experience before
+ I´m fast and seasoned enough in haskell to attempt such a project.
+ (And so far, progress at learning has been slow and I have not managed
+ to write anything serious in haskell.) --[[Joey]]