From a0dadc9108bad3202fb8c35a844a90788662b484 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "http://hendry.iki.fi/" Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:16:45 -0500 Subject: trying to get my favourite wiki to support my favourite markup :-) --- doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn | 16 ++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+) create mode 100644 doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn (limited to 'doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14c2597e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +Some elements of [HTML5](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/) can be safely supported by ikiwiki. There are [several differences between HTML4 and HTMl5](http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/). Unsupported new elements _should degrade gracefully_. + +However as an [early adopter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter) I would like to start using HTML5 as much as possible. The more pragmatic solution would be to use elements supported by the browsers of your readership I guess. I'm following other early adopters like [Anne](http://annevankesteren.nl/) for clues on how to proceed. + +* [Initial patch](http://git.webconverger.org/?p=ikiwiki;a=commit;h=2e2bb3f74f5000b1269142d6f9bdf1bcb4075ca4) + +I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validator](http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wdg-html-validator.html). So I have been unable to test my initial patches as I can't build ikiwiki. I would like to know how to edit the rules/Makefile to temporarily disable this. + +[validator.nu](http://validator.nu/) incidentally is **the** HTML5 validator, however it is almost impossible to sanely introduce as a build dependency because of its insane Java requirements. :( I test locally via [cURL](http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/IDE), though Debian packages cannot be built with a network dependency. + +# Notes + +* the [time element](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-time-element) ideally needs the datatime= attribute set with iso8601 time +* I suspect the migration to the new semantic elements of HTML5 like article, header & footer to take some time, due to browser support. Though they sure make the template code look much nicer. +* `
` and too many `
`s usually indicates poor semantics. +* Many of the header ``s should be proper [header elements](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-h1,-h2,-h3,-h4,-h5,-and-h6-elements) -- cgit v1.2.3 From 71f353640c2d42b068f8549f1d9acc96060d8d81 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Joey Hess Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:36:27 -0500 Subject: suggestion --- doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn | 2 ++ 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+) (limited to 'doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn index 14c2597e9..806454bcb 100644 --- a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn +++ b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn @@ -6,6 +6,8 @@ However as an [early adopter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter) I woul I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validator](http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wdg-html-validator.html). So I have been unable to test my initial patches as I can't build ikiwiki. I would like to know how to edit the rules/Makefile to temporarily disable this. +> Don't run ¨make test" ... --[[Joey]] + [validator.nu](http://validator.nu/) incidentally is **the** HTML5 validator, however it is almost impossible to sanely introduce as a build dependency because of its insane Java requirements. :( I test locally via [cURL](http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/IDE), though Debian packages cannot be built with a network dependency. # Notes -- cgit v1.2.3 From d6c530889ccb6284784b78f9bd7f0620e99f72c0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Joey Hess Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:13:22 -0500 Subject: further comments --- doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 30 insertions(+) (limited to 'doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn index 806454bcb..fe70a08d1 100644 --- a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn +++ b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn @@ -1,9 +1,36 @@ Some elements of [HTML5](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/) can be safely supported by ikiwiki. There are [several differences between HTML4 and HTMl5](http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/). Unsupported new elements _should degrade gracefully_. +> In the `origin/html` branch, there is an old work in progress to make +> ikiwiki use html 4 instead of xhtml. If that could be brought forward and +> finished then the plan has been to switch ikiwiki over to doing html 4. +> I don't think it makes sense to try to make it support both xhtml and +> html, it would complicate the code for no benefit. +> +> I think that is the best route toward supporting html 5 as well. Get +> ikiwiki doing html 4 first and the changes needed to get to 5 from there +> should be small. Probably just changing some doctypes and a few other +> small changes which could be kept in a branch, or even shipped in ikiwiki +> mainline as an alternate set of templates. Some of the changes, like +> supporting new html 5 tags in the htmlscrubber, can be done in mainline. +> (Like was already done for the html 5 video and audio tags.) +> +> This approach seems much more maintainable going foward than rolling a +> html 5 branch immediatly and trying to keep that continually up-to-date +> with mainline ikiwiki that is still using xhtml. --[[Joey]] + However as an [early adopter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter) I would like to start using HTML5 as much as possible. The more pragmatic solution would be to use elements supported by the browsers of your readership I guess. I'm following other early adopters like [Anne](http://annevankesteren.nl/) for clues on how to proceed. * [Initial patch](http://git.webconverger.org/?p=ikiwiki;a=commit;h=2e2bb3f74f5000b1269142d6f9bdf1bcb4075ca4) +> I can't figure out how to pull from this repository. + + joey@gnu:~/tmp>git clone git://webconverger.org/git/ikiwiki.git + Initialized empty Git repository in /home/joey/tmp/ikiwiki/.git/ + fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly + +> Assuming I got the url right.. your gitweb claims it's +> `git://webconverger.org/git/iceweasel-webconverger.git` --[[Joey]] + I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validator](http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wdg-html-validator.html). So I have been unable to test my initial patches as I can't build ikiwiki. I would like to know how to edit the rules/Makefile to temporarily disable this. > Don't run ¨make test" ... --[[Joey]] @@ -15,4 +42,7 @@ I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validat * the [time element](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-time-element) ideally needs the datatime= attribute set with iso8601 time * I suspect the migration to the new semantic elements of HTML5 like article, header & footer to take some time, due to browser support. Though they sure make the template code look much nicer. * `
` and too many `
`s usually indicates poor semantics. + > YMMV, but I tend to find that kind of concern counterproductive. + > --[[Joey]] * Many of the header ``s should be proper [header elements](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-h1,-h2,-h3,-h4,-h5,-and-h6-elements) + > See [[todo/Option_to_make_title_an_h1__63__]] for why not. --[[Joey]] -- cgit v1.2.3 From aadfc9e4eb388ae77e67156bca53877b49cde7ea Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "http://hendry.iki.fi/" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:56:59 -0500 Subject: fixed git cloneurl --- doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn | 10 +++------- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) (limited to 'doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn index fe70a08d1..1090db154 100644 --- a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn +++ b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn @@ -23,17 +23,12 @@ However as an [early adopter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter) I woul * [Initial patch](http://git.webconverger.org/?p=ikiwiki;a=commit;h=2e2bb3f74f5000b1269142d6f9bdf1bcb4075ca4) > I can't figure out how to pull from this repository. - - joey@gnu:~/tmp>git clone git://webconverger.org/git/ikiwiki.git - Initialized empty Git repository in /home/joey/tmp/ikiwiki/.git/ - fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly - -> Assuming I got the url right.. your gitweb claims it's -> `git://webconverger.org/git/iceweasel-webconverger.git` --[[Joey]] +>> Sorry! I have fixed the cloneurl file to read `git clone git://webconverger.org/git/ikiwiki` I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validator](http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wdg-html-validator.html). So I have been unable to test my initial patches as I can't build ikiwiki. I would like to know how to edit the rules/Makefile to temporarily disable this. > Don't run ¨make test" ... --[[Joey]] +>> I don't quite grok debhelper7 [rules](http://git.ikiwiki.info/?p=ikiwiki;a=blob;f=debian/rules). [validator.nu](http://validator.nu/) incidentally is **the** HTML5 validator, however it is almost impossible to sanely introduce as a build dependency because of its insane Java requirements. :( I test locally via [cURL](http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/IDE), though Debian packages cannot be built with a network dependency. @@ -44,5 +39,6 @@ I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validat * `
` and too many `
`s usually indicates poor semantics. > YMMV, but I tend to find that kind of concern counterproductive. > --[[Joey]] + * Many of the header ``s should be proper [header elements](http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-h1,-h2,-h3,-h4,-h5,-and-h6-elements) > See [[todo/Option_to_make_title_an_h1__63__]] for why not. --[[Joey]] -- cgit v1.2.3 From 4762da8831f6e0a8f29ce762dc71b0e958c20cb9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Joey Hess Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:16:34 -0500 Subject: hint --- doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn | 3 +++ 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+) (limited to 'doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn index 1090db154..41f955e51 100644 --- a/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn +++ b/doc/bugs/html5_support.mdwn @@ -30,6 +30,9 @@ I'm unsure how to turn off the test validation by the very old [wdg-html-validat > Don't run ¨make test" ... --[[Joey]] >> I don't quite grok debhelper7 [rules](http://git.ikiwiki.info/?p=ikiwiki;a=blob;f=debian/rules). +>>> Well, ok :-) `rm t/html.t` or, add an empty `override_dh_auto_test` rule. +>>> --[[Joey]] + [validator.nu](http://validator.nu/) incidentally is **the** HTML5 validator, however it is almost impossible to sanely introduce as a build dependency because of its insane Java requirements. :( I test locally via [cURL](http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/IDE), though Debian packages cannot be built with a network dependency. # Notes -- cgit v1.2.3